Anderson Cooper AC360| Stephen Colbert Interview
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Anderson Cooper discusses grief, loss, religion, and politics in this moving interview with Stephen Colbert.
Anderson Cooper| AC360 | Stephen Colbert Interview (Transcript)
Length: 39 mins
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Anderson Cooper: ‚Ä¶ have quoted, with great reverence. It would be an outrage. People‚Äôs heads would explode, understandably, because it is a fundamental, bedrock marker of who we are.
Stephen Colbert: Yes. There is our physical constitution and then there is our physical Bill of Rights, and there‚Äôs the physical Declaration of Independence, but there‚Äôs also this emotional constitution that America has. There‚Äôs an emotional reality that we all share that makes us all Americans and one of them is things like The New Colossus, the poem that Emma Lazarus wrote, it‚Äôs on the Statue of Liberty. We‚Äôre constantly being told, by this administration, ‚ÄúYou don‚Äôt see what you see. You don‚Äôt hear what you hear.‚Äù Now they‚Äôre saying you don‚Äôt feel what you feel. You don‚Äôt actually feel that. You don‚Äôt actually believe that this is a nation of immigrants.
Anderson Cooper: You called President Trump, I think, a heretic to reality.
Stephen Colbert: A heretic to reality. As raised a Catholic, you know, the greatest sin is actually heresy because not only are you astray from the right path, you‚Äôre inviting, you‚Äôre encouraging other people to come with you on that path. Specifically, heresy is like proselytizing for the devil.
Anderson Cooper: And the punishment for heretics is sort of the most extraordinary.
Stephen Colbert: I think it‚Äôs red-hot iron coffins in Dante‚Äôs Inferno. The area is called Dis, I think that‚Äôs the part of the level of hell that they‚Äôre in, so it‚Äôs just pretty bad.
Anderson Cooper: It doesn‚Äôt get much worse than a red-hot iron coffin.
Stephen Colbert: Yeah. The worst spa treatment. And he, our president, wants to live in a fantasy world where only the way he perceives the world is is the way it is and only the things that sort of serve his vision. And he‚Äôs also trying to convince us that that is the only world that exists. It‚Äôs extremely solipsistic, but he‚Äôs also trying to invite us into this madness that he has and that‚Äôs heresy against reality. That is proselytizing for the most selfish and the basest instincts that the American people, like all people, have, but he is not appealing to the better angels of our nature.
Anderson Cooper: I‚Äôve heard you say that the thesis of your show has become, essentially, hey, you‚Äôre not crazy.
Stephen Colbert: Right, right. The audience is not crazy. How you feel is actually how you feel, how you think is actually how you think. What you see is actually happening, what you hear is actually what he said.
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